What happens when two white women stop avoiding the hard conversations and start owning them? Siobhan and Dr. Hannah unpack privilege, power, and what it really takes to build community without losing your humanity.
Summary
In this candid and courageous follow-up, Siobhan welcomes back returning guest Dr. Hannah, whose first appearance sparked some of the podcast’s most heartfelt conversations. This time, they go even deeper, unpacking white privilege, identity, and the uncomfortable mirrors most white women avoid. Drawing from Hannah’s academic background in multicultural studies and Siobhan’s lived perspective, they explore what it really means to dismantle bias, stay accountable, and build community without losing your humanity.
This isn’t a performative chat about privilege, it’s a soul-level reckoning. It’s equal parts classroom and confession booth: raw stories, laughter through discomfort, and the radical honesty required to grow. Together, they wrestle with white feminism, systemic bias, and the burnout that comes from wanting to “fix” instead of actually listen.
It feels both familiar and fresh, a continuation of a conversation that never really ended, and a bold step into territory most people don’t talk about out loud. By the end, it’s clear that allyship isn’t about perfection; it’s about persistence, accountability, and choosing connection over comfort.
Dr. Hannah Joy
Dr. Hannah is a scholar with a doctorate in international and multicultural studies, specializing in the intersection of whiteness, womanhood, and power. After moving to San Francisco in 2019, she turned the pandemic into a period of deep reflection and research on identity and community. Her work challenges both herself and others to approach justice through honesty, empathy, and action.
Resources & Mentions
Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? – Beverly Daniel Tatum
White Fragility – Robin DiAngelo
Me and White Supremacy – Layla F. Saad
The Body Is Not an Apology – Sonya Renee Taylor
Anti-Racism & Allyship Reading Lists / Community Orgs
💡 Key Takeaways
White privilege is invisible until you choose to see it.
Growth requires sitting in discomfort, not escaping it.
Accountability > Perfection when doing anti-racist work.
Empathy and education must lead to action.
True community starts when we stop performing and start listening.